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One is the beloved author of The Name of the Rose, a celebrated scholar, philosopher, and self-declared secularist; the other is a preeminent clergyman and a respected expert on the New Testament. In this intellectually stimulating dialogue, often adversarial but always amicable, these two great men, who stand on opposite sides of the church door, discuss some of the most controversial issues of our day, including the apocalypse, abortion, women in the clergy, and ethics. As we voyage onward into the new millennium, they frame a debate about matters that have already begun to rage, always aware of the gulf between belief and nonbelief that separates them, constantly probing and challenging, but also respectful of the other’s viewpoint. For believers and nonbelievers alike, the result is both edifying and illuminating. “Their correspondence,” writes Professor Harvey Cox in his introduction, “lifts the possibility of intelligent conversation on religion to a new level.”
- Sales Rank: #1343515 in Books
- Published on: 2012-10-16
- Original language: English
- Number of items: 1
- Dimensions: 8.00" h x 5.00" w x 5.00" l, .30 pounds
- Binding: Paperback
- 112 pages
About the Author
Umberto Eco is a professor of semiotics at the University of Bologna and the author of Foucault’s Pendulum, The Name of the Rose, and other international bestsellers. He lives in Milan, Italy.
Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini is a member of the College of Cardinals at the Vatican.
Harvey Cox is Thomas Professor of Divinity at Harvard University and the author of The Secular City, Many Mansions, and Fire from Heaven.
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4 of 4 people found the following review helpful.
Short, elegant, sometimes empty, but more-often filled with deep insights.
By Peter S. Bradley
This is a difficult book to review because of its highly stylized formality. It is a dialogue of sorts that appeared in Il Corriere della Sera between former Catholic/current agnostic scholar/writer Umberto Eco and Cardinal Carlo Maria Martini. The newspaper format was that one person asked a question of the other in an elegant, highly formal style that ventilated the presuppositions and arguments for their side. This question would be published in the newspaper. Eventually, a similar elegant answer would be given and published in the newspaper. This went on for four questions and those questions and answers make up the book.
The book is short - 102 pages in paperback. Eco asked Martini questions about the apocalypse, women's ordination and abortion. Martini asked Eco about where secularists get their ethical foundations. There was no follow-up There was none of the heat and lightning that one sees in "Anglophone" - American or English - counterparts. In fact, at times, I wished there was more of that and less of the "Alphonse and Gaston" politeness...which probably reflects on how barbaric our American manners have become.
The book really does deserve an award for civility. For example, Eco's statements about how non-believers have no right to critique the beliefs of Catholics on women's ordination, but can certainly ask why those beliefs exist, ought to be a model for civic discourse. Here is part of the flavor of Eco' on that point:
//I believe that no one has the right to judge the obligations different creeds impose on their followers. I have no right to object to the fact that Islam prohibits the consumption of alcohol; if I don't agree with this, I will not become Muslim. I can't see why secular people are scandalized by the Catholic Church's condemnation of divorce. If you want to be Catholic, don't get a divorce. If you want a divorce, become Protestant. // (p. 55.)
Since it seems that non-Catholics often seem to think that they ought to be consulted on who should be made a saint or what doctrines the Catholic Church should accept, this is a refreshing insight.
Eco, then, goes on to show that he has a first rate scholar of St. Thomas Aquinas, by the way, in his marshaling of Thomistic arguments concerning the ordination of women. Here is a passage worth remembering from Eco:
//When I find myself lost in matters of doctrine, I turn to the only person I trust, Thomas Aquinas. More than being doctor angelicus, Thomas was a man of extraordinarily good sense....// (p. 61.)
Martini's response is not entirely satisfactory from an apologetics viewpoint, but it is very satisfactory from a Catholic standpoint. Persons interested in "how" Catholicism thinks might be well-instructed by Martini's answer, which acknowledges that some of the classic reasons are no longer persuasive, and, yet, Christ could have done otherwise than to have selected male apostles, and the church could have done otherwise, and neither did:
//But you will ask me, what does all this add up to? A very simple and very important thing: a Church practice that is profoundly rooted in tradition, and that has not really been deviated from through two millennia of history, is linked not solely to abstract or a priori reasoning but to something that maintains its own mystery. The fact that many of the reasons gathered over the centuries justifying why the priesthood is accorded only to men have lost their validity today, while the practice itself endures forcefully (think of the crisis provoked by the inverse practice, outside the Catholic Church, in the Anglican communion), tells us that we are up against not merely human reason but the Church's desire not to betray those redemptive events that gave rise to it and that derive not from human thought but from the very will of God.// (p. 77.)
What we clearly have here is a dialogue of a high order. It's not the kind of entertaining, clashing, snarkfest we have come to expect, but it is very nice to know that somewhere in the world - apparently, Italy - there remains a place for polite, civil dialogue of the highest order.
3 of 3 people found the following review helpful.
Must read
By Waldemar Kalinowski
A must read for anyone thinking about the human condition. A polemic worthy of notice. A profound example of how religionists and humanists can inspire each other to think and converse across "the great divide".
4 of 5 people found the following review helpful.
A must read!
By Amazon Customer
Great discourse by two brilliant and open minded men. This collection of letters allows the reader a brief glimpse into the authors' minds as they explore some of the most important issues of the day.
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